Comments on: The Future of SVG and GeoMedia WebMap http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/ "A picture is only worth a thousand words. A map may be worth a thousand numbers. But a GIS is worth a thousand tables." Mon, 26 Jul 2010 03:43:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Oyvind http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-3026 Oyvind Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:16:52 +0000 http://jeffhobbs.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-3026 It's official! Native SVG-support in IE9. http://gizmodo.com/5494574/internet-explorer-9-a-fresh-start-with-html5 It’s official! Native SVG-support in IE9. http://gizmodo.com/5494574/internet-explorer-9-a-fresh-start-with-html5

]]> By: Oyvind Eid http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-2098 Oyvind Eid Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:18:31 +0000 http://jeffhobbs.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-2098 If you want to see how a GeoMedia WebMap based site performs in Opera or Firefox, check <a href="http://kart.nois.no/hadeland" rel="nofollow">http://kart.nois.no/hadeland</a>. It uses the native SVG support of those browses. To me it looks like ASV still is the fastest SVG renderer. Firefox is almost hopeless, while Opera is coming along. If you want to see how a GeoMedia WebMap based site performs in Opera or Firefox, check http://kart.nois.no/hadeland. It uses the native SVG support of those browses. To me it looks like ASV still is the fastest SVG renderer. Firefox is almost hopeless, while Opera is coming along.

]]> By: Steven http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-2045 Steven Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:32:12 +0000 http://jeffhobbs.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-2045 There is already an Adobe Flash based web GIS solution out there: <a href="http://www.flashnavigator.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flashnavigator.net/</a> There is already an Adobe Flash based web GIS solution out there: http://www.flashnavigator.net/

]]> By: Jeff Hobbs http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-2035 Jeff Hobbs Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:23:58 +0000 http://jeffhobbs.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-2035 Andy good points. I'm hearing from the Intergraph 2008 user's conference that we might be seeing BOTH Silverlight AND Flash support. That to me would be fantastic! Andy good points. I’m hearing from the Intergraph 2008 user’s conference that we might be seeing BOTH Silverlight AND Flash support. That to me would be fantastic!

]]> By: Andy http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-2031 Andy Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:05:20 +0000 http://jeffhobbs.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-2031 Jeff, for GMWM you'd need Silverlight 2, (v1 was really just for movies etc.). As silverlight is not yet released (beta 2 was just released on 6th June) I doubt you'll see it being used in anger yet. MS is getting better at reaching users - so Firefox plugin will be available, but don't expect to be happy if you use Opera or anything else, including FF on a Linux platform. I imagine the latter will be more of an issue for mobile/MID devices which are becoming rather fashionable. What Intergraph will do then remains to be seen. Jeff, for GMWM you’d need Silverlight 2, (v1 was really just for movies etc.). As silverlight is not yet released (beta 2 was just released on 6th June) I doubt you’ll see it being used in anger yet.

MS is getting better at reaching users – so Firefox plugin will be available, but don’t expect to be happy if you use Opera or anything else, including FF on a Linux platform. I imagine the latter will be more of an issue for mobile/MID devices which are becoming rather fashionable. What Intergraph will do then remains to be seen.

]]> By: Jeff Hobbs http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-1968 Jeff Hobbs Fri, 09 May 2008 03:10:29 +0000 http://jeffhobbs.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-1968 Marc, I'm GUESSING you'll begin to see Silverlight support with 6.2. I'm hoping they push something out in a minor release, but, even if they did. Don't think I'd see it in GeoMedia WebMap Publisher until 6.2. I'm hoping they discuss it more at Intergraph 2008. Marc,

I’m GUESSING you’ll begin to see Silverlight support with 6.2. I’m hoping they push something out in a minor release, but, even if they did. Don’t think I’d see it in GeoMedia WebMap Publisher until 6.2. I’m hoping they discuss it more at Intergraph 2008.

]]> By: Marc http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-1965 Marc Thu, 08 May 2008 22:44:11 +0000 http://jeffhobbs.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-1965 Jeff, I have version 6.1 of WebMap and there is nothing about sivlerlight. Do you know when Intergraph plans to move to SilverLight? Thanks, Jeff,
I have version 6.1 of WebMap and there is nothing about sivlerlight. Do you know when Intergraph plans to move to SilverLight?

Thanks,

]]> By: Jeff Hobbs http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-1956 Jeff Hobbs Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:29:53 +0000 http://jeffhobbs.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-1956 Perry, Very interesting. I'm hoping that with xaml with get a much better "Web 2.0" user experience. I agree, don't be naive about cross browser support. However MS is getting better than they used to be. Just look at applications like Virtual Earth, it support Firefox just as well as IE. I really think MS is making efforts to be more open...especially after a few billion dollar lawsuits :-) Perry,

Very interesting. I’m hoping that with xaml with get a much better “Web 2.0″ user experience.

I agree, don’t be naive about cross browser support. However MS is getting better than they used to be. Just look at applications like Virtual Earth, it support Firefox just as well as IE. I really think MS is making efforts to be more open…especially after a few billion dollar lawsuits :-)

]]> By: Perry http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-1949 Perry Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:52:58 +0000 http://jeffhobbs.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-1949 I recently came across some client side javascript that converts svg to xaml for display in SilverLight. In effect, SilverLight was being used as the svg viewer. However, converting the javascript included with the WebMap rendered svgs would be a whole different ball game. Xaml and svg are so similar that it makes perfect sense to me for Intergraph to provide a xaml option soon. And, I believe there may be some efficiencies with xaml. For example, the svg javascript for hotspots and tooltips are indicated inline on each feature. Whereas, with xaml you can create a generic handler that can determine the sender. If that approach was take with the svg, the file sizes could be reduced substantially. However, I think it would be naive to expect that Microsoft will keep its promise of cross platform, cross browser functionality. Perry I recently came across some client side javascript that converts svg to xaml for display in SilverLight. In effect, SilverLight was being used as the svg viewer. However, converting the javascript included with the WebMap rendered svgs would be a whole different ball game.

Xaml and svg are so similar that it makes perfect sense to me for Intergraph to provide a xaml option soon.

And, I believe there may be some efficiencies with xaml. For example, the svg javascript for hotspots and tooltips are indicated inline on each feature. Whereas, with xaml you can create a generic handler that can determine the sender. If that approach was take with the svg, the file sizes could be reduced substantially.

However, I think it would be naive to expect that Microsoft will keep its promise of cross platform, cross browser functionality.

Perry

]]> By: Jeff Hobbs http://jeffhobbs.net/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-1891 Jeff Hobbs Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:21:44 +0000 http://jeffhobbs.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-future-of-svg-and-geomedia-webmap/#comment-1891 Rick (and anyone else), Besides the "prettiness" of Google Maps, how is it different than using PNG output from GMWM? In fact, the PNG output from GMWM is almost exactly like Open Layers. Again, I do understand that the usability is different, but functionally, PNG is the same output as both that you mentioned in your reply. We can't mix usability with output format. In the end, you've NEVER needed a plug-in to use GeoMedia WebMap. You've only needed a plug-in if you've wanted to work with VECTOR graphics inside of your browser. Rick (and anyone else),

Besides the “prettiness” of Google Maps, how is it different than using PNG output from GMWM? In fact, the PNG output from GMWM is almost exactly like Open Layers. Again, I do understand that the usability is different, but functionally, PNG is the same output as both that you mentioned in your reply. We can’t mix usability with output format.

In the end, you’ve NEVER needed a plug-in to use GeoMedia WebMap. You’ve only needed a plug-in if you’ve wanted to work with VECTOR graphics inside of your browser.

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